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  • #21

    Nature is much more concerned with play than with reaching goals.
    ---Alan Watts

    12 February 2018


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    • #22
      There is nothing that remains difficult if it is practiced. So, through practice with minor discomforts, even major discomfort becomes bearable.
      ---Santideva
      13 February 2018

      Not too long ago Ivy shared online a Stephen McCranie quote that reads, "The master has failed more times than the beginner has even tried.”

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      • #23
        In the sky, there is no distinction of east and west; people create distinctions out of their own minds and then believe them to be true.
        ---Buddha

        14 February 2018

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        • #24
          We see things not as they are but as we are.
          Immanuel Kant

          15 February 2018

          Grasshopper John D. Brey

          I am really curious what both of you have to say about the above quote.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by Mel View Post
            We see things not as they are but as we are.
            Immanuel Kant

            15 February 2018

            Grasshopper John D. Brey

            I am really curious what both of you have to say about the above quote. Alan Watts


            . . . I've said quite a lot about that quote over the years. And I've quoted Watt's quite often. Though you'd not have noticed. . . You and my Watt's quotations have always been like ships passing in the night. (Kant doesn't even exist in your world.)



            John
            ד׳
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            רוח
            רוח
            רוח
            ח
            ו
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            ג ז ע


            Hashem Saves!

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            • #26
              Originally posted by John D. Brey View Post


              (Kant doesn't even exist in your world.)
              Kant is dead. But I have read some of his works before. After all, my mother-in-law grew up in a German speaking house. I gotta say Kierkegaard and Nietzsche both had a greater influence on me than Kant.

              But what do you think of the quote I provided?

              Do you see things the way you are and not as they are? And if so, what's that tell you about yourself.

              Before you ask, I did post a message yesterday about how I see things.

              Did you read it?

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Mel View Post


                Before you ask, I did post a message yesterday about how I see things.

                . . . I don't think I did. What thread?



                John

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                חכמה עצה דעת רוחויראתד׳וגבורהובינה
                רוח
                רוח
                רוח
                ח
                ו
                ט
                ר


                ג ז ע


                Hashem Saves!

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Mel View Post

                  Do you see things the way you are and not as they are? And if so, what's that tell you about yourself.

                  . . . There's no "as they are" until we've impregnated them with our means of perception, and in the case of ideas, our worldview. There's no world sitting out there waiting to be discovered. There are fields and forces waiting to be collapsed into a here and now, a time and tide, a sunset or a sea breeze (or both). We live in a participatory universe. If we don't participate it doesn't exist.

                  The fact that our body is created through physical means, that abide by physical rules, and which come before our mind, makes us prejudiced to believe the mind is a product of physical forces subject to the same rules as the body. But that's a grotesque prejudice that's completely backwards. It's why so much of what I write appear so queer to people whose mind is still functioning by the same rules as their physical body. They literally can't perceive (let alone believe) any ideas that don't bow to the same god as their physical body bows to.

                  The mind is subject to a different God than the body so that those who are "carnal" (in the Christian vernacular) can't see or hear the God not subject to physical fields and forces. They say: "We won't believe you until you come into our physical world and talk to us as men!" ---- And then when he did, he found they'd set a trap for him and crucified him. But they forget he's omniscient. The jaws of the real trap haven't yet sprung shut.



                  John
                  Last edited by John D. Brey; 02-15-2018, 10:45 AM.
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                  חכמה עצה דעת רוחויראתד׳וגבורהובינה
                  רוח
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                  ח
                  ו
                  ט
                  ר


                  ג ז ע


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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Mel View Post
                    Nature is much more concerned with play than with reaching goals.
                    ---Alan Watts

                    12 February 2018

                    Maybe that's why it took four billion years to evolve.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Vinnie Bag O'Bones View Post

                      Maybe that's why it took four billion years to evolve.
                      Clever. Very clever. I like a dry sense of humor.

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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by John D. Brey View Post
                        There's no world sitting out there waiting to be discovered.
                        we don't participate it doesn't exist.

                        That's a sad and narcissistic view of the reality.

                        Originally posted by John D. Brey View Post
                        We live in a participatory universe. If we don't participate it doesn't exist.
                        Ditto. If you don't live in Paris, Paris doesn't exist, is that it?

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by John D. Brey View Post
                          It's why so much of what I write appear so queer to people whose mind is still functioning by the same rules as their physical body. They literally can't perceive (let alone believe) any ideas that don't bow to the same god as their physical body bows to.
                          I bow to no god and yet I find much about your posts to be queer. Doesn't not bowing to your god give me a perception into your queerness that others can't see?

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by John D. Brey View Post
                            The mind is subject to a different God than the body so that those who are "carnal" (in the Christian vernacular) can't see or hear the God not subject to physical fields and forces.
                            But you're not carnal, whatever that means, and you can see and hear god, is that it?

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                            • #34

                              We are the same as plants, as trees, as other people, as the rain that falls. We consist of that which is around us, we are the same as everything.
                              — Buddha


                              16 February 2018




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                              • #35

                                No one can escape death and unhappiness. If people expect only happiness in life, they will be disappointed.
                                — Buddha

                                17 February 2018





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                                • #36
                                  There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.
                                  ---Buddha

                                  18 February 2018


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                                  • #37
                                    The sudden realization
                                    that the Buddha
                                    is your own Mind
                                    and that there is
                                    nothing needing to be achieved
                                    nor any idea
                                    that must be thought
                                    this is the Great Way.
                                    - Huang-po

                                    19 February 2018

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                                      20 February 2018

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                                      • #39
                                        I tell you one thing – if you want peace of mind, do not find fault with others. Rather learn to see your own faults. Learn to make the whole world your own. No one is a stranger, my child; this whole world is your own. — Sri Sarada Devi

                                        21th February 2018


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                                        • #40
                                          The secret of health for both mind and body is not to mourn for the past, not to worry about the future, or not to anticipate troubles, but to live the present moment wisely and earnestly.
                                          — The Buddha


                                          22 February 2018



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